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	<description>debian, eeepc, kids &#38; f/oss software</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 03:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Ewins</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Ewins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question's a regular on slashdot, there's never been an ideal answer. The regular candidates are 'second hand stuff', like you mention plus education-market wordprocessors: alphasmart.com and quickpad.com. For slightly less money (140 USD), you can get a TI-83 and a keyboard from vernier: http://www.vernier.com/calc/tikey.html

Since you reminded me I went digging around for one of the alternatives that came up a few years back, which was a USB keyboard which you could detach to take to meetings; it was essentially a keylogger with a small display, so all you did to synch up was hit 'play', out the text came into emacs/vim/whatever; nice simple idea, but I can't come up with the google incantation. Maybe someone else will remember who made it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question&#8217;s a regular on slashdot, there&#8217;s never been an ideal answer. The regular candidates are &#8217;second hand stuff&#8217;, like you mention plus education-market wordprocessors: alphasmart.com and quickpad.com. For slightly less money (140 USD), you can get a TI-83 and a keyboard from vernier: <a href="http://www.vernier.com/calc/tikey.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.vernier.com/calc/tikey.html</a></p>
<p>Since you reminded me I went digging around for one of the alternatives that came up a few years back, which was a USB keyboard which you could detach to take to meetings; it was essentially a keylogger with a small display, so all you did to synch up was hit &#8216;play&#8217;, out the text came into emacs/vim/whatever; nice simple idea, but I can&#8217;t come up with the google incantation. Maybe someone else will remember who made it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Ewins</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Ewins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eek: looked up the alphasmart to see if you could load linux on it instead of palmos, and its worse than that, it doesn't even sync. Forget I mentioned it.
http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2515&amp;cat=493</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eek: looked up the alphasmart to see if you could load linux on it instead of palmos, and its worse than that, it doesn&#8217;t even sync. Forget I mentioned it.<br />
<a href="http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2515&#038;cat=493" rel="nofollow">http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=2515&#038;cat=493</a></p>
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		<title>By: shitse@web.de</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>shitse@web.de</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for your needs a jornada 680 or 690 should be fine. I didn't have any time to continue my porting efforts, but a debian port that should be enough for your needs is still available on jam.ueberalles.net/debian. www.jlime.net is a fdamiliar port for them. and netbsd works on it also. and while it has the same keyboard as the 720 it is a lot cheaper. the jornadas dont have 90% keyboard size,though. feel free to contact me if you have further questions or need help installing the debian port.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for your needs a jornada 680 or 690 should be fine. I didn&#8217;t have any time to continue my porting efforts, but a debian port that should be enough for your needs is still available on jam.ueberalles.net/debian. <a href="http://www.jlime.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.jlime.net</a> is a fdamiliar port for them. and netbsd works on it also. and while it has the same keyboard as the 720 it is a lot cheaper. the jornadas dont have 90% keyboard size,though. feel free to contact me if you have further questions or need help installing the debian port.</p>
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		<title>By: Decklin Foster</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Decklin Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a Nokia 770? See:

http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/
http://www.bleb.org/software/770/

I have heard you can also plug in a USB keyboard. Mine fits in my lap, although I don't know what I'd do with the rest of the cable:

http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html

Together, all this is a lot more expensive, I'm sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a Nokia 770? See:</p>
<p><a href="http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/" rel="nofollow">http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bleb.org/software/770/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bleb.org/software/770/</a></p>
<p>I have heard you can also plug in a USB keyboard. Mine fits in my lap, although I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d do with the rest of the cable:</p>
<p><a href="http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html" rel="nofollow">http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html</a></p>
<p>Together, all this is a lot more expensive, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Decklin Foster</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Decklin Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps a Nokia 770? See:

http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/
http://www.bleb.org/software/770/

I have heard you can also plug in a USB keyboard. Mine fits in my lap, although I don't know what I'd do with the rest of the cable:

http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html

Together, all this is a lot more expensive, I'm sure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps a Nokia 770? See:</p>
<p><a href="http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/" rel="nofollow">http://770.fs-security.com/maemo-bt-plugin/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.bleb.org/software/770/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bleb.org/software/770/</a></p>
<p>I have heard you can also plug in a USB keyboard. Mine fits in my lap, although I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d do with the rest of the cable:</p>
<p><a href="http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html" rel="nofollow">http://pfuca-store.stores.yahoo.net/haphackeyser.html</a></p>
<p>Together, all this is a lot more expensive, I&#8217;m sure.</p>
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		<title>By: Marius Gedminas</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Marius Gedminas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nokia 770 is a perfect device that runs vim and fits into your pocket.  If you don't need it to fit into a pocket, it may not be ideal for you.  Besides, it is rather more expensive.

Re USB keyboards: yes you can, but you need a USB hub to supply power to it.  This link might be interesting/informative: http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/09/nokia-770-laptop-conversion-v2.html

Perhaps an old second-hand laptop would be best?  Although battery life might be a problem.

(The MIT $100 laptop (aka OLPC) would probably be ideal, but those won't be for sale to the general public for a while yet.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nokia 770 is a perfect device that runs vim and fits into your pocket.  If you don&#8217;t need it to fit into a pocket, it may not be ideal for you.  Besides, it is rather more expensive.</p>
<p>Re USB keyboards: yes you can, but you need a USB hub to supply power to it.  This link might be interesting/informative: <a href="http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/09/nokia-770-laptop-conversion-v2.html" rel="nofollow">http://thoughtfix.blogspot.com/2006/09/nokia-770-laptop-conversion-v2.html</a></p>
<p>Perhaps an old second-hand laptop would be best?  Although battery life might be a problem.</p>
<p>(The MIT $100 laptop (aka OLPC) would probably be ideal, but those won&#8217;t be for sale to the general public for a while yet.)</p>
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		<title>By: R. G. McKenzie</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>R. G. McKenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have an Alphasmart Dana. It's light, small,  has a seven-fingerkeyboard, gets good mileage (wattage?) and comes with usable built-in programs. It syncs as a Palm and connects as a USB-keyboard to "type" directly into OpenOffice (or Word, for Windows users).

On the other hand, it costs more than 100 CAD, is too big to fit into a shirt (, coat, or whatever) pocket and doesn't run "real" programs. You can't have everything.

R. G. McKenzie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have an Alphasmart Dana. It&#8217;s light, small,  has a seven-fingerkeyboard, gets good mileage (wattage?) and comes with usable built-in programs. It syncs as a Palm and connects as a USB-keyboard to &#8220;type&#8221; directly into OpenOffice (or Word, for Windows users).</p>
<p>On the other hand, it costs more than 100 CAD, is too big to fit into a shirt (, coat, or whatever) pocket and doesn&#8217;t run &#8220;real&#8221; programs. You can&#8217;t have everything.</p>
<p>R. G. McKenzie</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I just got my Eee PC yesterday.  I will blog about it soon.  Works great in the bus with Vim!  The battery life at 3.5 hrs is not stellar, but it is acceptable.  The price is OK at $400, even if it is a bit off of my ideal -- but then the Eee PC does way more than what I was looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I just got my Eee PC yesterday.  I will blog about it soon.  Works great in the bus with Vim!  The battery life at 3.5 hrs is not stellar, but it is acceptable.  The price is OK at $400, even if it is a bit off of my ideal &#8212; but then the Eee PC does way more than what I was looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Chocolove</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Chocolove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm using my HTC PDA with a bluetooth mini keyboard.
Not exactly a $100 solution, but if you already have a PDA (and if not - recommended), its a great solution.

I have Windows Mobile OS, not exactly open source, nor the best OS ever (usability is a joke). But on the other hand i have word/Excel, and GPRS+WiFi internet, so i can also get the pda version of gmail, which is great. plus the option to finish writing and backing up immediately, while checking email.

Efficiency is fun on the bus.:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m using my HTC PDA with a bluetooth mini keyboard.<br />
Not exactly a $100 solution, but if you already have a PDA (and if not - recommended), its a great solution.</p>
<p>I have Windows Mobile OS, not exactly open source, nor the best OS ever (usability is a joke). But on the other hand i have word/Excel, and GPRS+WiFi internet, so i can also get the pda version of gmail, which is great. plus the option to finish writing and backing up immediately, while checking email.</p>
<p>Efficiency is fun on the bus.:)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Armstrong</title>
		<link>http://syn.theti.ca/2006/10/11/ideal-mobile-text-editing-device/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Armstrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 1999 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you look at my "more recent articles on the Eee PC":http://syn.theti.ca/articles/tag/eeepc, you'll find I finally settled on the perfect device for me.  Sure, it's not my $100 ideal, either, but at $400, the Eee does far more than the requirements I outlined above.  And with other devices like it in the wings from other vendors, I think they're just beginning to catch on that there is great demand for this sort of thing, so I expect competition to drive prices down and continue to turn out better models in the few years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you look at my &#8220;more recent articles on the Eee PC&#8221;:http://syn.theti.ca/articles/tag/eeepc, you&#8217;ll find I finally settled on the perfect device for me.  Sure, it&#8217;s not my $100 ideal, either, but at $400, the Eee does far more than the requirements I outlined above.  And with other devices like it in the wings from other vendors, I think they&#8217;re just beginning to catch on that there is great demand for this sort of thing, so I expect competition to drive prices down and continue to turn out better models in the few years to come.</p>
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